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    weks...
    bikin RCA (Root Cause Analysis) dulu deh...
    Awal mulanya.............................. siapa yang bikin geger duluan
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    Quote Originally Posted by andewan View Post
    lol...yang stupid itu kamu!!!!!semakin kentara kl agamamu tuh senenganya ....menghina agama lain.!!u itu tdk paham islam jadi kalau ngomong asal muncraaat lol....
    Saya gak menghina agama mu bung. Tapi hanya bilang pemimpin agama kita salah semua. Sedikit sekali pemimpin agama yang benar sekarang. Agama telah gagal mendamaikan dunia bung. Masa Islam bunuh Islam, pemimpinnya malah mangguk mangguk.

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    Myanmar claims 'Jamaat link' [Jihadists 'helping' Muslims Vs Buddhists clashes in Burma]
    TheDailyStar ^| June 15, 2012
    Posted on 06/18/2012 7:29:30 PM PDT by Milagros

    Myanmar claims 'Jamaat link' Friday, June 15, 2012 Front Page Sectarian Clash
    Dipu Moni tells JS Staff Correspondent
    The Myanmar government has conveyed its anxiety to the Bangladesh mission there that the Jamaat-e-Islami had been helping the Rohingya groups in Bangladesh with arms to incite sectarian clashes in Myanmar.
    Foreign Minister Dipu Moni said this in a statement in parliament yesterday.
    “For the sake of its national security, Bangladesh will not allow any more Rohingya in,” she said.
    Referring to appeals from different human rights bodies and non-government organisations to allow the Rohingyas to enter Bangladesh, Dipu Moni said Dhaka was not a party to the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 Protocol.
    “Therefore, under no convention or protocol are we obliged to shelter the Rohingyas.
    “Although we are not bound by any international laws, considering our experience of the 1971 [Liberation War], we have been sheltering the Rohingyas on humanitarian grounds," she told the House.
    Remembering Bangladesh refugees taking shelter in India during the Liberation War, she said, “We have never forgotten it and that's why Bangladesh always extends its helping hands when such incidents take place.”
    “In 1971, there was a war going on in Bangladesh. There was mass killing, looting and rape taking place…. We are grateful that the Indira Gandhi government and the people of India stood beside the Bangladesh refugees.”
    But Myanmar's situation is not similar to that of Bangladesh in 1971, she added.
    “The situation is not as if the Rohingya people have no place to go. We ourselves face many problems. We have allowed many Rohingyas to live in our country and we do not want to add to our problems by allowing more of them in. “The country [Myanmar] is not forcing its citizens to leave the country. This is a sectarian clash in which the state is not involved. The Myanmar government is rather working to resolve the problem,” she added. http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesig...php?nid=238432



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    Quote Originally Posted by posd1 View Post
    Myanmar claims 'Jamaat link' [Jihadists 'helping' Muslims Vs Buddhists clashes in Burma]
    TheDailyStar ^| June 15, 2012
    Posted on 06/18/2012 7:29:30 PM PDT by Milagros

    Myanmar claims 'Jamaat link' Friday, June 15, 2012 Front Page Sectarian Clash
    Dipu Moni tells JS Staff Correspondent
    The Myanmar government has conveyed its anxiety to the Bangladesh mission there that the Jamaat-e-Islami had been helping the Rohingya groups in Bangladesh with arms to incite sectarian clashes in Myanmar.
    Foreign Minister Dipu Moni said this in a statement in parliament yesterday.
    “For the sake of its national security, Bangladesh will not allow any more Rohingya in,” she said.
    Referring to appeals from different human rights bodies and non-government organisations to allow the Rohingyas to enter Bangladesh, Dipu Moni said Dhaka was not a party to the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 Protocol.
    “Therefore, under no convention or protocol are we obliged to shelter the Rohingyas.
    “Although we are not bound by any international laws, considering our experience of the 1971 [Liberation War], we have been sheltering the Rohingyas on humanitarian grounds," she told the House.
    Remembering Bangladesh refugees taking shelter in India during the Liberation War, she said, “We have never forgotten it and that's why Bangladesh always extends its helping hands when such incidents take place.”
    “In 1971, there was a war going on in Bangladesh. There was mass killing, looting and rape taking place…. We are grateful that the Indira Gandhi government and the people of India stood beside the Bangladesh refugees.”
    But Myanmar's situation is not similar to that of Bangladesh in 1971, she added.
    “The situation is not as if the Rohingya people have no place to go. We ourselves face many problems. We have allowed many Rohingyas to live in our country and we do not want to add to our problems by allowing more of them in. “The country [Myanmar] is not forcing its citizens to leave the country. This is a sectarian clash in which the state is not involved. The Myanmar government is rather working to resolve the problem,” she added. http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesig...php?nid=238432


    Yep...senang mereka membunuh, Katanya Agama damai, kok membunuh sesama agamanya, Jew, Budha, dan nanti di lihat dengan beritanya...dengan pembunuhanb Hindu...Very sad indeed...=(

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    Re: Bentrokan Kelompok Buddha dan Muslim di Burma berlanjut

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Yep...senang mereka membunuh, Katanya Agama damai, kok membunuh sesama agamanya, Jew, Budha, dan nanti di lihat dengan beritanya...dengan pembunuhanb Hindu...Very sad indeed...=(
    1. Jika jadi minoritas, mereka merasa diberlakukan tidak adil jadi akhirnya timbul kekerasan (ex: China, Birma, India, Ambon).
    2. Jika jadi mayoritas, mereka berebutan dan mengklaim yang paling benar dan menindas "aliran sesat" jadi akhirnya timbul kekerasan (Ex: Libya, Suriah, Mesir, Indonesia)
    Jadi kesimpulannya: banyak ketua genk yang memperalatnya yang sebenarnya untuk tujuan pribadi dan lebih parahnya banyak yang menjadi pion2 kekerasan atas dasar pemikiran sektarian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by falz_oi View Post
    1. Jika jadi minoritas, mereka merasa diberlakukan tidak adil jadi akhirnya timbul kekerasan (ex: China, Birma, India, Ambon).
    2. Jika jadi mayoritas, mereka berebutan dan mengklaim yang paling benar dan menindas "aliran sesat" jadi akhirnya timbul kekerasan (Ex: Libya, Suriah, Mesir, Indonesia)
    Jadi kesimpulannya: banyak ketua genk yang memperalatnya yang sebenarnya untuk tujuan pribadi dan lebih parahnya banyak yang menjadi pion2 kekerasan atas dasar pemikiran sektarian...
    Benarnya cuma setengah bung. Anda perlu baca cerita selengkapnya biar ngerti sejarah disana.

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    Ini tambahan sepotong cerita awal bentrok Umat Hindu Budha dengan Islam.

    Muslim conquests in the Indian subcontinent mainly took place from the 13th to the 16th centuries, though earlier Muslim conquests made limited inroads into North India as early as the time of the Rajput kingdoms in the 7th century. Some historians consider parts of the conquest the bloodiest chapter in human history.[1]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-1"[2]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-2"[3]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-Durant-3"[4]
    Prior to the conquest of India by the British East India Company, the Muslim Moghul Empire was able to annex or subjugate most of India's Hindu principalities. However, it was never able to conquer the extreme south of the country where Hindu principalities such as Travancore remained independent. Similarly, the upper reaches of the Himalayas – such as the regions of today's Nepal, Sikkim, and Bhutan – were never conquered by the Muslims
    Like other societies in history, South Asia has been attacked by nomadic tribes throughout its long history. In evaluating the impact of Islam on the sub-continent, one must also note that the sub-continent was a frequent target of tribes from Persia and Central Asia who arrived from the North West. With the fall of the Sassanids and the arrival of the Caliphate's domination of the region these tribes began to contest with the new power and were subsequently integrated into it giving rise to Muslim dynasties of Central Asian heritage, generally Turkic - Mongols. In that sense, the Muslim invasions of the 10th century onwards were not dissimilar to those of the earlier invasions in the History of Central Asia during the 1st through to the 6th century. What does however, make the Muslim invasions different is that unlike the preceding invaders who assimilated into the prevalent social system, the Muslim conquerors retained their Islamic identity and created new legal and administrative systems that challenged and usually superseded the existing systems of social conduct and ethics. They also introduced new cultural mores that in some ways were very different from the existing cultural codes. While this was often a source of friction and conflict, it should also be noted that there were also Muslim rulers, notably Akbar, who in much of their secular practice absorbed or accommodated local traditions.
     
     
    An estimate of the number of people killed, based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations, was done by K.S. Lal in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India, who claimed that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. His work has come under criticism by historians such as Simon Digby (School of Oriental and African Studies) and Irfan Habib for its agenda and lack of accurate data in pre-census times. Western Historians such as Will Durant contend that Islam spread through violence.[4]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-6"[7] Sir Jadunath Sarkar contends that that several Muslim invaders were waging a systematic jihad against Hindus in India to the effect that "Every device short of massacre in cold blood was resorted to in order to convert heathen subjects."[8] In particular the records kept by al-Utbi, Mahmud al-Ghazni's secretary, in the Tarikh-i-Yamini document several episodes of bloody military campaigns.[citation needed] Hindus who converted to Islam however were not completely immune to persecution due to the Caste system among South Asian Muslims in India established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari.,[9] where they were regarded as an "Ajlaf" caste and subjected to discrimination by the "Ashraf" castes[10
    Critics of the "Religion of the sword theory" point to the presence of the strong Muslim communities found in Southern India, modern day Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and western Burma, Indonesia and the Philippines coupled with the distinctive lack of equivalent Muslim communities around the heartland of historical Muslim empires in South Asia as refutation to the "conversion by the sword theory".[6] The legacy of Muslim conquest of South Asia is a hotly debated issue even today. Not all Muslim invaders were simply raiders. Later rulers fought on to win kingdoms and stayed to create new ruling dynasties. The practices of these new rulers and their subsequent heirs (some of whom were borne of Hindu wives of Muslim rulers) varied considerably. While some were uniformly hated, others developed a popular following. According to the memoirs of Ibn Battuta who traveled through Delhi in the 14th century, one of the previous sultans had been especially brutal and was deeply hated by Delhi's population. His memoirs also indicate that Muslims from the Arab world, Persia and Turkey were often favored with important posts at the royal courts suggesting that locals may have played a somewhat subordinate role in the Delhi administration. The term "Turk" was commonly used to refer to their higher social status.[citation needed] However S.A.A. Rizvi[11] points to Muhammad bin Tughlaq as not only encouraging locals but promoting artisan groups such as cooks, barbers and gardeners to high administrative posts. In his reign, it is likely that conversions to Islam took place as a means of seeking greater social mobility and improved social standing.[12]

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    Begitu ya....klo saya sich gk tau banyak sejarah, lihatnya yang ada sekarang...(mungkin juga keliru)

    Btw, gimana Gan klo sejarah Nusantara tentang Majapahit dimana notabene yang pernah jadi Kerajaaan Terbesar di Nusantara tetapi peninggalannya "musnah" sama sekali...apakah sesuai dengan buku2 sejarah yang diajarkan di sekolah2??

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    Re: Bentrokan Kelompok Buddha dan Muslim di Burma berlanjut

    Quote Originally Posted by falz_oi View Post
    Begitu ya....klo saya sich gk tau banyak sejarah, lihatnya yang ada sekarang...(mungkin juga keliru)

    Btw, gimana Gan klo sejarah Nusantara tentang Majapahit dimana notabene yang pernah jadi Kerajaaan Terbesar di Nusantara tetapi peninggalannya "musnah" sama sekali...apakah sesuai dengan buku2 sejarah yang diajarkan di sekolah2??

    Kalau majapahit mungkin ada hubungannya dengan sepotong cerita saya diatas. Bedanya dari internet anda akan melihat sejarah yang lebih nyata dari buku pelajaran sekolah. Sebab di sejarah di internet memang hasil karya sejarahwan tulen. Jika ada yang tidak setuju mereka bisa saling membantah. Nah hasil terakhir setelah mereka saling bantah yang kita ambil. Logikanya memang kalau gak ada yang hancurin ya gak akan hilang peninggalan sejarah majapahit

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    Quote Originally Posted by posd1 View Post
    Kalau majapahit mungkin ada hubungannya dengan sepotong cerita saya diatas. Bedanya dari internet anda akan melihat sejarah yang lebih nyata dari buku pelajaran sekolah. Sebab di sejarah di internet memang hasil karya sejarahwan tulen. Jika ada yang tidak setuju mereka bisa saling membantah. Nah hasil terakhir setelah mereka saling bantah yang kita ambil. Logikanya memang kalau gak ada yang hancurin ya gak akan hilang peninggalan sejarah majapahit
    Yupz, saya setuju Gan.
    Dan yang pernah saya baca dari internet, hal tersebut akibat aksi vandalisme Kerajaan Demak....

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