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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Memang kok negara Demokrasi, anda saja yang tidak tahu ya...Sayang sekali ya...
    oh gitu kalau negara demokrasi boleh memenjarakan orang tanpa diadili yah? sama donk dg orde baru? kalau begitu tinggal hitung mundur ?

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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Hmmm...That is my view ok sis...and this is yours...Be cool this is forum kompas...It's free to express every member mind ok... Or may be diffrence now
    Yes, sist! Itulah hebatnya free speech
    And btw, it's not my view. It's just simple fact. Written loud and clear in history.
    Published on Sunday, May 24, 2009 by Reuters Top US Military Officer Pushes Guantanamo Closing

    by Will Dunham

    WASHINGTON - The top U.S. military officer on Sunday pushed for the closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison despite rising resistance in Congress, saying it serves as a "recruiting symbol" for America's enemies.

    The US military must "dramatically" stem a three-year slide in the security situation in Afghanistan over the next year and a half to make room for civilian efforts to stabilize the country, US Admiral Michael Mullen, pictured on May 21, 2009, said Sunday. (AFP/Getty Images/Brendan Smialowski)
    Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, rallied behind President Barack Obama's move to close the detention facility at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, which is operated by the U.S. military.
    "Well, the concern I've had about Guantanamo in these wars is it has been a symbol -- and one which has been a recruiting symbol for those extremists and jihadists who would fight us. ... That's at the heart of the concern for Guantanamo's continued existence," Mullen said on ABC's "This Week."
    "Well, I've advocated for a long time now that it needs to be closed. President Obama made a decision very early after his inauguration to do that by next January. And we're all working very hard to meet that deadline," Mullen added.
    Obama on Thursday laid out his case for closing the prison, saying he was trying to clean up a legal "mess" he inherited from former President George W. Bush, who opened the facility in 2002. Many critics, including some close U.S. allies, have condemned prison, with saying torture has been used there.
    In a vigorous defense of the Guantanamo prison that same day, former Vice President **** Cheney assailed what he called "this recruitment tool theory" that U.S. treatment of foreign terrorism suspects held there has helped al Qaeda and other U.S. enemies attract new members.
    "It's another version of that same old refrain from the left, 'We brought it on ourselves,'" Cheney said on Thursday.
    Sepertinya so far Republikan masih di atas angin ya, Cil?

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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    Quote Originally Posted by Mogul View Post
    Hehehehe...mau cerita ke sis Cecil ajah neh...
    Emang gampang ya mengeluarkan kebijakan memerangi negara lain di US sana? Setahu saya kalau senat tidak menyetujui, otomatis presidennya ga bisa donk menjalankan kebijakan tersebut. Correct me i wrong...
    A newly formed non-profit organisation made up of former Bush administration officials is to spend $15 million to run pro-war television and radio ads in more than 20 states which falsely link the 9/11 attacks to the war in Iraq in an effort to strong arm Congress into withdrawing support for a de-escalation.

    Kenyataannya gampang, Gul.

    Pepatah anda yang tentang gajah di pelupuk mata bener banget buat negara2 di timur tengah kalau dilihat dari kacamata orang kita.
    Apakah mereka lupa..or sengaja melupakan, perang saudara irak iran...berapa juta yang mati???? Agreasi irak ke kuwait? Berapa milyar dollar yang terbuang sia2? Mending duit perangnya buat nyumbang yg miskin2 di palestina itu sih menurut saya...cuma berhubung udah gengsi...yha diperangi aja sekalian kuwait. Sahabat uncle Sam dilawan...hehehehe...
    Suicide bomber di mana2..produk negara2 penghasil teroris agfanistan, palestina, pakistan, irak, iran.....udah bunuh berapa orang tuh?? Herannya, sudah tahu jelas2 salah, masih dibela oleh orang sini.
    Otaknya pada ga dipake.
    Hanya karena ada yang berbeda pendapat jangan keluar omongan ngga mutu macam 'otak ngga dipake' gitu lah,bro...namanya juga forum. Kalo mau nyari yang sama semua pendapatnya cari aja di situs jihadwatch, blackanthem, freedomwatch dan teman-temannya...Pasti dah akur semua sama Guantanamo dan 'war on terror' yang fantastico itu...

    SAYA TETAP DUKUNG AMERIKA dengan kebijaksanaannya untuk Guantanamo. Kalau perlu sih menurut saya ga perlu disidang2 segala. Di dor aja langsung. Ibarat membasmi panu, harus sampai ke akar2nya. Kalau tidak nanti menjalar kemana2...
    And you wrote that with a big grin...your words show who you really are.

    Guantanamo dan 'war on terror' yang berdasarkan kebohongan?


    Though it claims to be "fighting for what is right", the group seems to have no problem producing intentionally misleading propaganda.
    The first ad to be aired by the group features Sgt. John Kriesel, a veteran who lost both legs in the war, relating to viewers that he "re-enlisted after 9/11" because "They attacked us, and they will again."
    As Kriesel describes his story, a picture of the burning World Trade Center with United Airlines Flight 175 approaching its target appears. "They won't stop in Iraq. We are winning on the ground. ... It's no time to quit; it's no time for politics." Kriesel concludes.

    The fact that there has never at any point been any intelligence whatsoever supporting any links between 9/11, Al Qaeda and Iraq seems not to matter to Freedom's Watch.
    As reported by the NY Times in 2003, "The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein" [6/27/03]. Similarly, even the 9/11 commission report undercuts claims before the war that Hussein had links to Al Qaeda.
    Fast forward to April 2007 and even the Pentagon dismissed any link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.
    Maybe this is just one man's story though and the next ad will steer clear of the tenuous link.

    Not on your life.

    The blatant attempt to use 9/11 as an excuse to prolong the war in Iraq and link the two is shameful and it comes as no surprise to see former Neocon stalwarts pumping money into such propaganda.Indeed it was during Bush's re-election campaign in 2004 that some families of the victims of the attacks were furious with commercials using images from 9/11 which were used to advertise Bush administration public policy and the war on terror.

    The Freedom's Watch advertisements are extremely misleading and constitute a disgraceful insult to the victims of both 9/11 and the war in Iraq and should be withdrawn from the air with immediate effect.

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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Memang kok negara Demokrasi, anda saja yang tidak tahu ya...Sayang sekali ya...

    Mending ga tahu dan minta kejelasan dunk..... dari pada sok tau tapi ga bisa jawab ketika ditanya ama penanya sebelumnya. hahaha

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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Menurut saya Republikan menjadi idolanya Obama kok, coba baca lagi news yang kamu link kan ya...

    Kesimpulanmu sendiri kan, sist Cil?

    Former VP Cheney based on his 39 years of top level experience (even in the defense dept.) made the most ‘Compelling ‘ , Clear and totally understandable Argument ‘ .
    I have heard since Bush took office a first time on our War on “‘Terror “” not Man Made Disasters now under Obama’s PC Correct how to not fight any War against those that will do anything possible to destroy America and Murder Americans we have seen since 9/11 and actually before under Clinton .
    Here we go again, 9/11...Cicil tidak mbaca link yg saya tulis di komen saya ke Mogul? Kayaknya ngga semua orang bisa dibodohin tentang kebohongan itu lagi.

    Cheney actually made Obama “No answers ” other than scorn ‘ of our Moral values and we need to please Europe look like a proven Rookie air head blundering no nothing Anti War Socialist out of touch elite Academic because that is what he is
    Cheney all by himself thank goodness brought to center stage finally
    Ah, Cheney...Haliburton Cheney? Enough said. http://open.salon.com/blog/joy-ann_r...eney_didnt_say

    The President Obama taking power from the Dept. of Defense and giving it to his liberal lawyer buddies at the Dept. of Justice is not just “process and packaging”. DoD used their traditional and legal military tribunals to “process” over 500 enemy combatants through Gitmo with 14% returning to jihad.
    Angka 500 dan 14 % itu dari mana? Jihad itu menurut anda apa? Anda copy-paste dari mana sih?
    Remembering all too well how the New York Times "helped sell the Iraq War with a bogus story about aluminum tubes for nuclear centrifuges and withheld evidence of illegal spying on Americans for more than a year," Consortium News editor Robert Parry (5/21/09) tells how the paper "is again mishandling a sensitive story in a way that panders to the right." Pointing to a May 21 Times headline and lead "reporting that a Pentagon study has concluded that 'about one in seven of the 534 prisoners' transferred out of the Guantánamo Bay prison 'returned to terrorism or militant activity,'" Parry writes that "that is not what the Pentagon can possibly know:"
    FAIR Blog

    Apparently, under pressure from the Democrats and Bush-hating left, the DoD’s judiciary system has been too lenient with its mercy. The American and allied military who were in combat with the Extremist could have opted for the Geneva Convention’s bullet-to-the-head for these captured enemy combatants who didn’t sport the military uniform of any nation. They sentenced themselves to death when they took up arms against America.
    Obama wants to use the remaining 250 Gitmo detainees (the worst) for a campaign stunt or worse. Declare these jihadist to be “criminal suspects”, bring them to America, turn them into media celebrities, open the justice-for-sale court system to them, force the prosecutor to follow the rules of evidence for criminal court demanded of police and district attorney (”When were the defendants not Mirandized, and when did you not know it, soldier?”). The left is willing to pour money into helping these evil men fight and hurt America through our badly strained and questionable justice system, the same system that repeatedly lets illegal alien criminals loose to prey on American lives again, again, and again. Liberal lawyers are rushing to the cameras to be on the jihad legal team and to uphold their lefty bonnafides.
    Cheney wasn’t the only one handing Obama a defeat this week. The House and Senate refused to fund Obama’s Gitmo no-plan. A federal court ruled the military can detain the jihadist forever.
    Hmmm...^^ you really made my day, sist.


    Mark Steyn suggests Obama declare the protoplasm held at Gitmo to be fetuses, and therefore without rights to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness - just to processing and packaging.
    Mark Steyn??? Maksudmu Mark Steyn yang bikin sensasi murahan waktu kampanye Obama dengan nulis "Barack Obama was “black, and white, and Hawaiian, and Kansan, and charismatic, and Congregationalist, and Muslim. [...] He was raised in an Indonesian madrassah by radical imams, which is more than John Edwards can say.” dan “The madrassah stuff was supposedly leaked to Insight Magazine… by Hillary Rodham Clinton’s team."
    Mark Steyn yang menjustifikasi genosida di Eropa dengan konsep Eurabia-nya? Mark Steyn yang masuk di Dirty Dozen-nya FAIR (The Dirty Dozen)?
    Seorang kolumnis, Glenn Greenwald menyebut Steyn "faux warrior" sebagai “one of the most extremist warmongers in our country”, dan menambahkan bahwa Steyn “as fundamentally wrong as one can be about virtually every issue he has touched"

    Yah, ngga heran lah kalo Mark Steyn bisa nulis kalimat yang merendahkan manusia jadi sebentuk fetus. Dan saya ngga ngerti kenapa anda ngga bisa ngeliat ironi di kalimat menjijikan itu...


    Regards,
    Cicilia...
    Have a nice day, Cil.

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    Wow. Saya salah.
    Republikan ternyata tidak seperti yg saya pikir (sama seperti tidak semua Democrat pencinta damai).
    Not all of them are god damn cold blooded warmonger. My bad.
    Generalisasi sekali lagi terbukti tidak baik
    Salute for Ron Paul and Rep. Wayne Gilchrest.

    Must-read-articles tentang Ron Paul dan Wayne Gilchrest.

    The Antiwar Republican - by Scott Horton
    The GOP's Lonely Anti-War Candidate | The American Prospect
    The Lonely Guy: Anti-war Republican Rep. Wayne Gilchrest on Iraq, the Bush administration, and the "dissolving" GOP - Reason Magazine

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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    oo... jadi klo panjang2 itu kopas toh? hehehe tahu klo harusnya ga bilang gini tapi gak tahan


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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Hi dear sis, I copas from my think thank.com (mod on)
    Sometime like to play around with my think thank.com, like you with your link copas...
    You too have a very nice day...
    Next time don't forget to give the sources of your copy pasted thingies, sis.
    Jadi bisa kita kros cek fakta apa mitos

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudulz View Post
    oo... jadi klo panjang2 itu kopas toh? hehehe tahu klo harusnya ga bilang gini tapi gak tahan
    ditahan-tahan duong, bro dulzzz

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    Re: Negara Teroris melawan Warga Teroris

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicilia, FL, + ND, USA View Post
    Hi..hi..hi...sis tidak mengerti ya...the sourcenya dari my own noodle...sorry itu lho dari dalam skull ku...
    Ah, I see...
    So it's all just in your mind. Careful dear, you'll get lost inside it.
    Quit listening to people that have been proven wrong or lying time after time and actually check the facts once in awhile .

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